TPO trees with overhanging branches

Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby MacadamB53 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:43 am

Hi trevors,

have you looked into this:
TO wrote:It may be that the developer doesn't need to apply for the tree works, as consent may arise from the planning decision. Does the tree survey form part of the approved documents, and what conditions are attached to the decision notice will determine that.
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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby COGGY » Tue Apr 14, 2015 10:47 am

Good morning Trevor

My first thought on reading your post is that I am truly thankful not to have a tree overhanging our garden by 12 m. We love trees and often admire a good specimen when out. However in our own garden we try to keep everything to a reasonable height, in order to enjoy sun and light. Are you able to walk around the new houses under construction in order to appreciate the effect on their garden and house of your trees? Can you imagine how overpowering this must be?

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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby trevors » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:16 pm

We too love trees and have been enthusiastic custodians of our TPO trees for over 30 years. It would be impossible for any buyer to miss the tree line or what ever amount of overhang there is left. A property search would reveal the presence of the trees. Since it was the LA who issued the TPOs and have stood by them over the years, we are happy to continue looking after these glorious trees. They have been mentioned in many strategic planning matters and are always referred to as the "welcoming green vista as you leave the countryside and enter the town". Long may they remain so.

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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby MacadamB53 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 8:28 pm

Hi trevors,

They have been mentioned in many strategic planning matters and are always referred to as the "welcoming green vista as you leave the countryside and enter the town".

will the new development next door not obscure the trees from view?
was yours the last house in town when the TPOs were made?

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edit: that quote your refer to sounds a bit of an oxymoron IMHO
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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby trevors » Tue Apr 14, 2015 9:00 pm

Yes. it does sound like that but the countryside around here is open fields with few trees.

The new houses will block the lower part of the tree line. This was and still is the last house in town. The TPOs represent the boundary between two parishes. There are no more houses beyond the new set.

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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby arsie » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:07 am

Trevor,
being an enthusiastic custodian for 30 years: how much have you spent per tree per year in maintaining them? For example in taking care to prevent ivy intrusion and following advice on keeping the trees maintained, lopping excess growth, etc

Preservation of trees needs activity, trimming, cutting, not just standing and admiring. Although that is nice occasionally.
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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby trevors » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:52 am

I've done all of that over the years. The trees overhang our garden by at least as much.

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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby arborlad » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:29 am

trevors wrote:What aspect of best arboricultural practice would apply here?

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I think it is the one I've already mentioned, on most occasions the complete removal of a branch is preferable to leaving a stub. Leaving a stub would have to happen if you wont allow cutting beyond the boundary.
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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby arsie » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:37 am

The point I was trying to make, gently, is that unless you are a skilled and qualified tree surgeon the trees' health may not be assured by your attentions alone, Trevor. The existence of low level (below 4m) fairly dense vegetation close by - ivy, privet - might affect the trees over time.

The neighbour/developer has a condition on his planning permission, for a qualified surgeon to lop your trees per the tree report quoted earlier. This is an opportunity for a professional to see and assess your trees' health. I find tree specialists are usually strictly neutral with people but fiercely on the side of the trees. I would see if the council/developer might pick up the tab.

The alternative is to continue in blissful ignorance. Which is in some respects the safest course, as then when your trees come crashing down - which might happen sooner or later when they grow old and infirm - you can rightly say you maintained the trees and had no reason to believe they had become unsafe and therefore cannot be held responsible for any damage. There was a case referred to on here not so long ago where a retired schoolmistress - near Watford IIRC - had her trees fall on a train line. Network Rail failed at appeal to have her pay damages. I recall a split in one tree which sundered and fell was masked by other vegetation.
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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby MacadamB53 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:55 am

Hi trevors,

The new houses will block the lower part of the tree line.

I wonder, does the approved proposal include a planting scheme on the far side (nearest the "countryside") that will, in time, compensate for the obvious loss in "amenity" value your trees offer...

in other words, will the value once ascribed to your trees be found in the new trees, thus negating the need for TPOs on your trees?

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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby trevors » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:12 am

Two interesting points. I'll look at the plans and see if there are extra trees to the north of the development.

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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby arborlad » Wed Apr 15, 2015 11:30 am

trevors wrote:I've done all of that over the years. The trees overhang our garden by at least as much.

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What was the land used for before the development?
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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby trevors » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:37 pm

The land was the large garden to a house well set back from the road in the next parish. The trees caused no problems and the owner would mow the grass under them using his ride-on mower.

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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby COGGY » Wed Apr 15, 2015 3:05 pm

The problem you have now is that the situation has changed. The land is no longer part of a very large garden, it now forms part of fairly small gardens to modern houses. The families who will eventually move into those houses will doubtless require sun and light in their gardens.

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Re: TPO trees with overhanging branches

Postby arborlad » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:20 pm

trevors wrote: I assume they'll have to use a cherry picker to do the work? Is that a reasonable assumption?


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Yes that's a reasonable assumption but it does beg the question why this work wasn't done before the development was so far advanced, thus making it harder for those doing the work. Has the work already been refused and this is an appeal?
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