Hedge/trees alongside road

Hedge/trees alongside road

Postby jonahinoz » Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:19 pm

My friend has asked to borrow myself and my land rover.

He has received a letter from the council telling him to cut his hedge, which is growing over the road, such that bus drivers are complaining. The letter tells him who to contact to arange traffic lights, and peform the "chop".

I have been asked to tow the felled branches away into the carpark. I haven't seen these trees, but assume that the carpark is where his tennants park their cars. He is talking about giving two of his employees a red flag each, to stop the traffic for a few minutes while each of about five trees are cut. He says the traffic will need to be stopped in both directions at the same time.

My immediate reaction was to ask if the council have the right to order him to cut his trees. I thought they could cut the overhanging branches, without his permission. Can anybody comment on that, please?
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Re: Hedge/trees alongside road

Postby Treeman » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:08 pm

jonahinoz wrote:My friend has asked to borrow myself and my land rover.

He has received a letter from the council telling him to cut his hedge, which is growing over the road, such that bus drivers are complaining. The letter tells him who to contact to arange traffic lights, and peform the "chop".

I have been asked to tow the felled branches away into the carpark. I haven't seen these trees, but assume that the carpark is where his tennants park their cars. He is talking about giving two of his employees a red flag each, to stop the traffic for a few minutes while each of about five trees are cut. He says the traffic will need to be stopped in both directions at the same time.

My immediate reaction was to ask if the council have the right to order him to cut his trees. I thought they could cut the overhanging branches, without his permission. Can anybody comment on that, please?



Yes they do, if you dont they can do it for you and present you with the bill
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Re: Hedge/trees alongside road

Postby mr sheen » Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:35 pm

Landowners have the responsibility to keep their trees cut back so that they do not interfere with normal traffic including buses and lorries. If the landowner does not they will be sent a letter telling them to do it by the Council and if they still don't do it, the Council will cut them back and then charge the landowner for doing it for him. If the Council do it, they will engage traffic light company to deal with that, engage all the specialist equipment needed and skilled staff required as well as often a mulching machine to dispose of the branches - all to be paid for by the landowner.

In the past some Councils used to cut roadside hedges and trees back themselves but this practice has been stopped since Council Tax payers are not happy paying for something that is the responsibility of the landowner.
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Re: Hedge/trees alongside road

Postby Mattylad » Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:53 pm

He cannot however just get 2 people with red flags to stop traffic, only a police officer or traffic warden can do that.

But I'd go for it, put yellow jackets on :)
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Re: Hedge/trees alongside road

Postby Treeman » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:08 pm

Mattylad wrote:He cannot however just get 2 people with red flags to stop traffic, only a police officer or traffic warden can do that.

But I'd go for it, put yellow jackets on :)


Errrrr traffic warden? Where does it say they can stop traffic?

By the way they are all run by local authorities now, parking was de criminalised so you get a penalty notice, and they are called parking enforcement officers.

The verry thought of one of the undertrained and under equipped clowning about with live traffic is frightening.

By "yellow jacket" I assume you mean Hi vis PPE and not a wasp.

If the road conditions demand a traffic management do it properly before you get wiped out by a passing vehicle
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Re: Hedge/trees alongside road

Postby TO » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:26 pm

Hi

If only it was still this way

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=37881

But it's not.

Hiring stop/go boards, cones and appropriate signs would be a start. Not a good one, but a start. A better idea is employ a competent contractor with the appropriate training, experience, qualifications and insurance. I can vouch from experience vehicles don't stop at traffic control, and if you're not quick to get out of the way you'll be run over. On one occasion I even had to dodge a tank. Believe me they weren't for stopping. I've also seen buses decide to stop when it was almost too late and come down the road sideways. I called the Police who asked if we had the signs, cones etc. out, which we did, and all in accordance with the Regulations. We'll attend if there's an accident was the response.

It will be your fault when a driver goes past your signals and gets hit by a tree, or hits you. Or maybe not if you comply with the legislation such as the New Roads and Street Works Act

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1991/22/contents

And of course you've followed the guidance and code of good practice

http://assets.dft.gov.uk/publications/r ... actice.pdf

And had the training, relevant experience and hold insurance.

If you do it yourself on your head, or the top of someone's car be it.

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Re: Hedge/trees alongside road

Postby Treeman » Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:31 pm

TO wrote:I can vouch from experience vehicles don't stop at traffic control



You can say that again, I have just invested in some of those huge leggo brick things, they are a PITA to move about but it's the only way to stop muppets driving through a site and trying to take out guys with stop go boards.
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Re: Hedge/trees alongside road

Postby Clifford Pope » Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:58 pm

Park the LandRover at one end of the section of road, and your own car at the other. Put cones, boxes, ladders etc down in between, with a notice at each end warning of tree cutting. Or just a large sign with ! on it, which is what I did.

Fell any actual trees so that they fall into the garden, not the road. It's easily done by attaching a rope as high as you can with a ladder, and then attaching it to something solid in the direction you want it to fall. Cut from the other side, tightening the rope as much as possible as you go.

Just get on with it, and the job will be done before anyone gets round to worrying about obstructions etc.
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