Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby Cintapoppy1 » Sun May 28, 2017 2:38 pm

Thank you for your advice, Mr sheen, I did not send the letter recently shared on this forum, and don't normally react to their tirades although they shake me up inside ( hence calling the police on 2 occasions) or do I instigated contact with them.

I have decided that I will see a specialist property solicitor and talk to him about the ROW clause and ask him to write me a letter stating that my use to a), b), c) are reasonable purposes, and ask for advice how to deal with this situation. Many thanks
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby Cintapoppy1 » Sun May 28, 2017 3:03 pm

despair wrote:if other neighbours with same ROW come and go the same route without objection then the neighbour is deliberately harassing you presumably because he sees you as a weak target wheras he would not tangle with a man

do your homework
gather the facts
get help if CAB see if they think you have a case
DIY injunctions are possible with help of court staff or a CAB solicitor
If you are sure its direct harassment and preventing you exercising your lawful ROW
find a no win no fee lawyer to take it on

or rent your house out and seek peace elsewhere or sell your place on an exchange deal for a new property somewhere
they arenot likely to worry about the neighbour


Hi despair,
I had thought of a Diy injunction as the forum user 'gazelle' did but don't know whether this is possible for peaceful use of ROW rather than obstruction of ROW which was her cause.

I have used the CAB before and they weren't specialised and just looked things up on the Internet like I do. I would rather pay and get specialist advice which may even mean 2 solicitors, one who understands ROW law, and another dealing with the harassment I get over using the ROW. IF I am lucky the land solicitor has come across this before and will know how to deal with this.

I looked into no win no fee lawyers a couple of days ago but it said that both their and my assets would need to be substantially large so any potential win could be settled. Our houses are about £130000 worth each and I was told by a friend they can't move because they can't afford it. Same here.

The fact that they have not barred me or bolted doors/changed locks, presented me with an injunction to stop using the ROW leaves me to surmise that they have had legal advice saying my use of the ROW is legal, albeit not to their liking, hence the harassment.
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby Luigi Mario » Sun May 28, 2017 3:14 pm

Cintapoppy1 wrote:Thank you for your advice, Mr sheen, I did not send the letter recently shared on this forum, and don't normally react to their tirades although they shake me up inside ( hence calling the police on 2 occasions) or do I instigated contact with them.

I have decided that I will see a specialist property solicitor and talk to him about the ROW clause and ask him to write me a letter stating that my use to a), b), c) are reasonable purposes, and ask for advice how to deal with this situation. Many thanks


Have you been keeping account of what going on and gathering evidence of any anti-social behaviour? If you're planning to get the police involved or taking out an injunction then you should be. After all, serial bullies will lie A LOT and you will need evidence or proof to say otherwise.

Here's the example, the police will not build a case for you unless something very serious happened to you. They aren't going to call several police officers and detectives to investigate on your behalf. You will need to build the case, gather evidence etc and then the police will decide to take the case to the Crown Prosecution Service. This is the reality of the situation. The police can turn around and say it's mostly a civil matter and wash their hands of it.

The main objective is not to have serial bullies destroy your quality of life or take up a big part of your life.
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby despair » Sun May 28, 2017 6:29 pm

you have not answered the question

do other users of the ROW receive the same aggression and harassment?
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby Cintapoppy1 » Sun May 28, 2017 7:03 pm

Sorry despair, didn't see the beginning of the question. My other neighbour doesn't use the ROW, no dogs, no wheels bin, just lawn in their garden, she just puts out one bag of rubbish a week through her front door. The neighbours further up, only know they put out their wheels bins at the end of the ROW and bring them back along the ROW.

When I put my wheels bin out at the end of my ROW an hour ago my neighbour came out immediately and placed it by my front door. I left it there instead of taking it back as I did last Monday which resulted in a massive row with his wife. I really don't want to get sued over a wheely bin...
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby despair » Sun May 28, 2017 7:25 pm

none of this makes any sense
a plan of the situation would help greatly
in one posting you say they have fenced off the row but in the next you have to pass their side door and they immddiately pounce on you

yet they do not do the same to your other neighbour

what was said on the spiff when you bought your house ?
did the previous owner have trouble with these neighbours ?

a ROW is a ROW and they need to face the situation and put up with it
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby Cintapoppy1 » Sun May 28, 2017 9:39 pm

Hi despair, I wrote that have have put up a 6 ft high fence along the ROW thereby creating a walkway between their house and their garden hence blocking the view from their windows and french doors onto their own garden. Last week she said they had to build a few e because of me; I only asked them to keep their dog under control which means get him off my dogs (always on short leads), not build a fence to spoil your home.

Anyway, I have drawn a sketch and taken a photo of my deeds, and I have numbered the doors. Door 4, their side entrance along the row is the usual flash point because they can see me walking up to their front door and then the sliding door. I hope the images upload OK as I haven't done this before.

I seems that I don't have permission do upload anything and don't know how to get this changed. I will post it once I find out or get permission.
Kind regards
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby despair » Sun May 28, 2017 9:47 pm

i think you need to use a hosting website ...someone will be along to advise
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby arborlad » Mon May 29, 2017 6:36 am

Cintapoppy1 wrote:When I put my wheels bin out at the end of my ROW an hour ago my neighbour came out immediately and placed it by my front door. I left it there instead of taking it back as I did last Monday which resulted in a massive row with his wife. I really don't want to get sued over a wheely bin...




If the bin is placed on land that you have a right to pass over but don't own, the landowner is entitled to ask you to move it or move it themselves.
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smile...it confuses people
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby Cintapoppy1 » Mon May 29, 2017 2:57 pm

Yes, I checked it out. When I moved in my neighbours said I should put it next to theirs at the end of the ROW, This continued for three and a half years till last week when she had a go at me for leaving it there. I thought it was because she said the bin smelled so left my recycling bin in the same place again late yesterday afternoon. When I came out of my front door 2 minutes later he had put it smack in front of my front door and I saw him walking back to his houseI. I moved it to the side (on my front patch), left it there overnight and took the dogs out.

When I went out this morning (front door) the full bin had been placed against my front door again. Since I hadn't moved it back to the ROW yesterday I can only hazard a guess that at some stage they moved it to their house, took pictures and moved it back again; their mistake was to place it exactly in the same position he had done on Sunday.

My guess is spurious allegations are going to be collected (my dog weeing on their decking when I hadn't been our, wheels bin being moved and go knows what else. I had no intention to place the bin on the ROW again and won't do in future. I read about the wheels bin wars and if those are the rules that's fine. Since I was invited to leave it there I and my neighbour himself has placed it next to his at the end of the ROW for 2 years I didn't think I was doing anything wrong.
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby despair » Mon May 29, 2017 3:41 pm

There is absolutely no doubt your neighbours are total serial bullies who take immense enjoyment causing problems
Their brains are totally bent with one scheme after the other in order to goad you

Either you totally and utterly ignore their entirely stupid and pathetic behaviour which only bullies understand or you move

you need to simply note their stupidity in a diary and carry on regardless whilst never never rising to their bait
be struck totally dumb and do not make eye contact whatever you do put earmuffs or whatever but record the tirades all the same

sooner or later they will either have a go at someone else or go OTT which is when you involve the police big time

meanwhile imagine the guy as in Les Miserables " see them with their trousers off they are never quite so grand "
as for her she us like the Inn keepers wife also in Les Miserables a miserable shrew

once you picture them in a different way its easier
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby Rowan » Mon May 29, 2017 4:49 pm

To aid NON eye contact it is well worth wearing a pair of sunglasses - they can't see where you are looking

Worked for me when I needed to ignore our nasty neighbouring couple a good few year go - they actually complained to the police about it - the PCSO quietly pointed out to them that there is no law against the wearing of sunglasses - the outcome of this complaint to the police was that the police saw them as they were - nasty and manipulative
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby Cintapoppy1 » Mon May 29, 2017 5:05 pm

Hi despair,
I really am grateful for your moral support, I don't think you or anyone could understand how much this means to me!

I wrote the ending of a parrot joke on my front door which always made me laugh 'nag, nag, nag, , winge winge , winge' to remind myself to think of this as I walk back over the Row. It worked till she really set into me last week and I responded to her and tried to stand my ground. I have called her fish wife (in my mind only and when talking to friends) since lies and accusations roll off her tongue very fluidly and she goes on and on and another thing... He is just 'the bully' and I really don't want to imagine him without his pants on - yuck.

When I brought my empty bin back tney were on the ROW but went inside quickly instead of challenging or shouting at me about the recycling bin. This further confirms to me that they have had legal advice, 'collect incidents, evidence and don't talk or write to her'.

I drew a map yesterday but still can't upload it. Sorry for that.

Hi Rowan,
Many thanks for your support. I wear glasses which go quite dark in sunlight but I might see if I can get some much darker with mirror effect glasses, if nothing else it will confuse them.

With many thanks!
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby despair » Mon May 29, 2017 5:27 pm

Cinta
can assure you i do know every single trick in the book of serial bullies and just how gut wrenching it is

you would be surprised how close your pet names for the pair of them are
and can assure you just remember Les Mis songs they really fit the scenario however "yucky "

and yes really dark glasses and earphones / muffs are a godsend
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Re: Neighbour objecting over my ROW

Postby Cintapoppy1 » Tue May 30, 2017 12:20 pm

I phoned a solicitor practice to make and appointment to get advice on the various issues and my neighbours are with them and the secretary cited 'conflict of interest'. It also confirms they had legal advice hence their different behaviour and now setting me up over the bins. I am going out of my mind with worry.
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