Removing a Leylaandi hedge

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Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by new build » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:14 am

Hi
On our boundary, in our garden there is a leylaandi hedge which we want to remove. According to our deeds we are not responsible for the boundary that side. The neighbor the other side of the hedge has no fence. so if we remove the hedge then there will be nothing there . Are we obliged to put a fence in?

Also I am concerned that the roots if we pull the tress out will go under his flower bed and upset the bed. it may be that we can cut the roots off . Anyone any suggestions ?

We need to remove the hedge to widen our drive for a new build house which the neighbor objected to very strongly so it wont be easy to talk to him!

Anyone got any comments on how we stand ?

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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by edstrong » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:41 am

Speak to your neighbour. If it's your hedge you're free to remove it, and put a fence in its place (on your land) if you wish, no matter who is responsible for maintaining the boundary. But speaking to your neighbour and getting their support will save you a whole load of bother.

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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by MacadamB53 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:28 am

Hi new build,

in our garden there is a leylaandi hedge... ...if we remove the hedge then there will be nothing there. Are we obliged to put a fence in?

answer is “no”.

are you certain it stands on your land?

kind regards, Mac

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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by APC » Thu Feb 28, 2019 8:35 pm

Is the hedge protected by a soft landscaping condition / shown for retention on the site plan?

If not, when you remove it you would probably be best employing the tree surgeon to grind out the stumps to 30cm depth, that way there's no danger of your neighbour's garden getting ripped up with the stumps.

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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by Morgan Sweet » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:32 am

Of course you will have to check that the trees are planted on your land before their removal and (as above) for any planning restrictions.

It will depend on how long the leylandii have been planted for and what size the trunks are, but assuming it is an established hedge the roots will have spread out some distance and will be shallow rooted. I have pulled out leylandii hedges planted for only 10 years and the roots have been 10 feet long in all directions therefore I would advise cutting the trees down to about 4 feet high and then chopping the roots off around the base of the trunk and then rocking the trunks free. This will cause little disturbance and the remaining roots will rot down over time. Leylandii will burn fiercely even when green so take care if you are going to burn the hedge after removal.

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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by SJC14 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:18 pm

new build wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:14 am
Hi
On our boundary, in our garden there is a leylaandi hedge which we want to remove. According to our deeds we are not responsible for the boundary that side. The neighbor the other side of the hedge has no fence. so if we remove the hedge then there will be nothing there . Are we obliged to put a fence in?

Also I am concerned that the roots if we pull the tress out will go under his flower bed and upset the bed. it may be that we can cut the roots off . Anyone any suggestions ?

We need to remove the hedge to widen our drive for a new build house which the neighbor objected to very strongly so it wont be easy to talk to him!

Anyone got any comments on how we stand ?
Are you 100% sure that the hedge is entirely in your garden? The worst thing you can do is remove someone else's hedge. It will cost a lot to replace like for like.

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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by IdefixUK » Sat Mar 02, 2019 5:52 am

Hello new build.
Although we are unaware of the exact layout of your situation one potential problem that you may encounter is the possibility that the boundary has changed from that which you see on the plan accompanying your deeds. Firstly you should be made aware that the deed plans show only general boundaries in most circumstances, so don't try measuring from that to establish where your land ends and that of the neighbour begins. Secondly if the neighbour (for example) purchased his house and there was no fence in situ at that time he might reasonably expect that he purchased all the land up to the hedge, that being the boundary feature, he might also assume (worse for you) that he owns the hedge entirely, as it is infact the boundary feature for which he is responsible. That being the case he will not be amused when the chainsaws start up.
Just to complicate matters further if any fence along the line of the intended boundary has been "missing" for twelve years he then can apply for, and probably get title to, the land up to the hedge, even if this is obviously not where the original boundary lay. (By adverse possession...see the rules for this on the Land Registry website). The fact that you may have obtained planning consent is not evidence that you own all of the of the land.Tread carefully.

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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by MacadamB53 » Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:42 am

Hi IdefixUK,

he then can apply for, and probably get title to, the land up to the hedge

I believe HMLR don’t entertain such applications as the area is deemed de minimis.

kind regards, Mac

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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by IdefixUK » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:33 am

MacadamB53 wrote:
Sat Mar 02, 2019 8:42 am
Hi IdefixUK,

he then can apply for, and probably get title to, the land up to the hedge

I believe HMLR don’t entertain such applications as the area is deemed de minimis.

kind regards, Mac
Hi Mac,
Yes I too read that the LR don't want applications under AP rules for trifling amounts, but in this case we have no real idea of the distance of the leylandii to where the OP thinks the boundary should be. Given that these beasties can grow to have a span of some 9 metres there is a fair bit of leeway. I've seen them really close clipped as hedges and would guess that they form a hedge at least 1 metre thick like that, but most are a good deal thicker. Certainly if I were planing such a hedge I would plant no nearer than 2 metres from any structure or boundary to allow clipping from both sides.
Mac, Do you happen to know how small de minimus actually is? What is insignificant to one person could make all the difference to another, especially if they are "struggling" for enough land to comply with planning and building regs.

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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by arborlad » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:34 pm

new build wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:14 am
Hi
On our boundary, in our garden there is a leylaandi hedge which we want to remove.


Provided the hedge has no protection and you're satisfied the roots are entirely on your land, there's no reason not to remove it. Don't delay, birds will be nesting soon.


The neighbor the other side of the hedge has no fence. so if we remove the hedge then there will be nothing there . Are we obliged to put a fence in?




Obliged is not the right word to use, something needs to define the limit of your land.



Also I am concerned that the roots if we pull the tress out will go under his flower bed and upset the bed. it may be that we can cut the roots off . Anyone any suggestions ?


Who's doing the work?................as you're widening your drive there will presumably be a digger there, beware of any services - especially CATV.
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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by new build » Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:23 pm

Thank you for all the comments . The tree trunks are clearly in line with a fence further up the plot so are on our land. We are still wondering about
Getting the diggers to pull them out and risk the roots disturbing the neighbors flower beds
Getting the roots sawn off on the boundary, towards the neighbor and pulling the trunks and roots out on our side
Cutting them down and then getting stumps ground out - its about 30 metres so quite a bit!

The neigbour agreed that it was our hedge 4 years ago when we spoke to him. He has been very unpleasant over the planning which is why we are cautious!

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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by arborlad » Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:42 pm

new build wrote:
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:23 pm
Thank you for all the comments . The tree trunks are clearly in line with a fence further up the plot so are on our land. We are still wondering about
Getting the diggers to pull them out and risk the roots disturbing the neighbors flower beds
Getting the roots sawn off on the boundary, towards the neighbor and pulling the trunks and roots out on our side
Cutting them down and then getting stumps ground out - its about 30 metres so quite a bit!

The neigbour agreed that it was our hedge 4 years ago when we spoke to him. He has been very unpleasant over the planning which is why we are cautious!


You haven't said who's doing the work, any reputable firm will be able to remove the trees and roots without any damage to neighbouring property.

Presumably the extended drive will occupy the land the trees currently do, so the additional expense of grinding isn't necessary.

Winching would be my favoured method, if the trees are old and well established, leave the trunks high so you have extra leverage. Once you have the winch set up, a gentle pull will identify where any roots are going to the neighbours land and you cut with axe or mattock.

Before any work starts, ensure you agree with the neighbour where the boundary is and mark it.

A photo might help.
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Re: Removing a Leylaandi hedge

Post by arborlad » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:38 pm

new build wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:14 am
Also I am concerned that the roots if we pull the tress out will go under his flower bed and upset the bed. it may be that we can cut the roots off . Anyone any suggestions ?


It may be the neighbour will welcome this, depending on the type of bed, soil, weather, size and aghe of trees etc. When you pull a tree out from a few feet up, the roots will lift, if you can get the pull from near ground level you will actually be pulling roots as opposed to raising them, causing (potentially) less disturbance next door.
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