I am new to this forum. I have joined as I need some advice on outbuildings. My garden is 11m long and 6m wide. The front of the garden is 3m from door to gate. from bay window to gate its 2m.
I want to build an outbuilding 6m long and 5m wide, with a small shower room inside, and if possible a kitchenette ( just a sink and few cupboards) no gas cookers.
The purpose of the outbuilding is for half gym half entertainment room with a TV. The reason for the shower room is to have a shower after a workout without having to go into the main house and its more convenient to use the loo in the outbuilding rather than having to go into the main house if watching a movie in there. the reason for the kitchentte is to be able to have tap water whilst working out and snacks in the outbuilding if holding a party. the outbuilding will not be used as additional accomodation as no one will be living in there.
my council have said its not possible to build an outbuilding 6m by 5m as it will be over 50% of the garden size and it cant contain shower room or kitchenette. I live in London.
Is there a way to gain permission? Any help much appreciated!
i have seen the mini-guides before and my project doesnt meet the requirements, hence want to know a way to gain permission.
You'll be wasting your money - there's no way you could get permission to do all that.october2011 wrote:I will look into contacting planning consultants.
Yes almost all of the garden will be covered, with 2m remaining.
Fitting plumbing into the garden building would set planning alarms bells ringing - there would be a great suspicion that you were going to have someone living out there.
If you get permission for this large outbuilding for use connected with the main house - with no mention of water or a kitchen - then no additional planning permission is needed afterwards to install the kitchen.
It depends what you mean by 'easier'. A simpler process? Or a better chance of success. Only apply for planning permission if it doesn't come under permitted development.october2011 wrote:Is it easier to get a certificate of lawfulness or apply for planning permission?
Then later (having presumably checked or made changes) you saidoctober2011 wrote:my council have said its not possible to build an outbuilding 6m by 5m as it will be over 50% of the garden size and it cant contain shower room or kitchenette.
If you would be going against the council's warning - and, as others on here (Mojisola, andrew54) have said - by showing plumbing I think you should not be surprised if they refuse permission.october2011 wrote:the outbuilding is within 50% of unbuilt curtilage. It wont be self contained as there will be no gas supply just plumbing.
There is nothing to stop you adding plumbing later and no permission is needed. A neighbour of mine has done that. You will need drains for the original build (rain water) just make sure these are big enough and go into the main foul water system not to soak-aways. Mucky water from the kitchen sink or shower shouldn't go into the ground and even if you don't someone might later add a toilet -which certainly shouldn't
If it's got plumbing and electricity, it's self-contained. There's plenty of homes that don't have a gas supply.october2011 wrote:.
the outbuilding is within 50% of unbuilt curtilage. It wont be self contained as there will be no gas supply just plumbing.
Wrong. In many areas the rain water MUST NOT go into the foul water system. Too much water would overload the sewage works.arsie wrote:You will need drains for the original build (rain water) just make sure these are big enough and go into the main foul water system not to soak-aways.
All streets built in the last fifty years have two main drainage systems. Foul water, going to the sewage works. And surface water drains for rainwater going straight to the river.
Do you recommend he doesn't mention plumbing in his planning application?
There is a free download on the planning page of The Classic Barn Company's website for a guide to permitted development, you should find this rather useful.
Hope you find this as helpful as I did.