Drainage: The water has to go somewhere!

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Re: Neighbour's quadcopter camera over my garden

Post by Rosenberg » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:55 am

arborlad wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 8:21 pm
It has nothing to do with being off topic, when someone asks for help and gets it, it's only common decency to update a thread when it is resolved or concluded.
The original threads were finished. The issues I discussed in them were resolved. There is no need for me to update them. I have provided only incidental / supplementary information in this thread. It is only you that assumes there is still something in the old topics that you can, in some rather pathetic way, use against me. I'd give up if I were you.

arborlad wrote:
Tue May 28, 2019 10:22 am
MacadamB53 wrote:
Sat May 25, 2019 9:15 am
..............do these older threads refer to the same neighbour? and if they do, does this support arborlad’s suggestion that the neighbour might be using his drone to capture evidence seven years later?!?
This is the type of problem the quadcopter may be monitoring...............
Rosenberg wrote:
Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:07 pm
However I don't really think it matters what he says they are to be used for. The fact is he knew that they would be driven over when he installed them so if he didn't make them strong enough, that's his problem.
Notwithstanding what I have just said, how on Earth could a quadcopter be monitoring that arborlad? Don't you think a quadcopter would be overkill and, indeed, a highly impracticable method of monitoring that type of situation - it's battery would likely run out well before anybody got the chance to drive over land which you, without any evidence, suppose is disputed. CCTV would be a much better option for my neighbour, but as I said monitoring is not needed. You are obviously getting desperate to justify the ridiculous statements you continue to make. I have already told you that we put up a wall many years ago so it would be impossible for us to drive over our neighbour's land even if we wanted to.

arborlad wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 8:21 pm
The rest of your diatribe is not worthy of comment.
What you mean is: you have no answer to any of the perfectly valid points I raised. The good thing about this forum is that what I wrote is a matter of record. It is not a diatribe; and I'd encourage any visitors to this thread to actually read what I wrote and judge for themselves which of us is being unreasonable here.


Setting aside all of arborlad's absurdity for the moment, it seems that we now have another illegal use for pervi-copters: thin and crispy's deluded mates in "Extinction Rebellion" are, according to the BBC, planning a criminal program of drone flights to close down Heathrow airport - and thereby prevent normal working people from going on their holidays - during June and July. What they haven't thought through is how their irate spokesman Emma Thompson is going to jet in from LA (or wherever) for her next bit of publicity?

Still think pervi-copters are a good thing, thin and crispy?

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Re: Neighbour's quadcopter camera over my garden

Post by Rosenberg » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:18 am

Clifford Pope wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 9:02 am
Rosenberg wrote:
Fri May 24, 2019 7:58 pm
  • an exhibitionist, or words to that effect (by Clifford Pope, again because I am a naturist)

More to do with your evident love of parading every facet of your life for everyone else to see.
Evidence please? You would know a lot about me if your accusation were true. But, in fact, I've been careful to ensure that you know very little.

So come on CP, what do you think you know about me, apart from the fact that I'm a naturist? (I told you you were getting warmer before, but you seem to have veered off track now.)

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Re: Drainage: The water has to go somewhere!

Post by Rosenberg » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:48 am

arborlad wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 10:44 am
Rosenberg wrote:
Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:08 pm
Could someone please give me some advice on a drainage issue?

My house is built on the top of a hill such that the back garden (16m wide by 20m long) slopes down towards the rear and left boundaries. Each boundary consists of a four-foot high earth bank (planted on top with quickthorn etc). On the other sides of the banks are a field and a private lane.

The problem is that the hedgebanks (consisting of heavy clay soil) trap all surface rainwater within my garden, so the lowest corner (about 30 or 40 square metres) looks like a large dirty swimming pool during the winter months.

Unfortunately, I can't remove the hedgebanks because their presence is a condition imposed by the Local Authority when they granted planning permission for our house. The only solution has been for me to install drainage pipes through the base of the banks - which I have done this summer.

However, the owner of the adjoining field and lane is now complaining about the water draining onto his land. Another neighbour living two fields away, down the hill, is also complaining about water "cascading" down the lane and onto his property. I can't see that the run-off from my garden is causing either of these neighbours any problems - especially when you consider that my garden's rain catchment area is only about 320 square metres, and most of that water is draining onto a 6000 square metre field used only for grazing.

Unfortunately, the rainwater has got to go somewhere - I can't make it flow uphill. And anyway, before the hedgebanks were built, the water would have run off into the field naturally.

Can anyone advise me of the legality of the situation? Have I done the wrong thing in installing the drainage pipes? I would be grateful for any suggestions.

Thanks.



Does the same situation exist today - or have you made any changes?
My last post said it all. It is not material to this thread, but the farmer has since seen the error of his ways and left. Unsurprisingly, the new farmer hasn't even noticed any water.

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Re: Drainage: The water has to go somewhere!

Post by arborlad » Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:44 am

arborlad wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 10:44 am

Does the same situation exist today - or have you made any changes?


...................so the correct and honest answer here is, yes!!................no changes have been made!!




Rosenberg wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 6:27 pm
You don't know what I am doing. You haven't visited my garden (unless you've been stalking me in real life as well), and you certainly don't have any evidence for your assertion. Water runs off higher land onto lower land naturally. That's basic physics. There is no requirement for us to install a drain. Nothing illegal is occurring. You assumed otherwise - and, again, you were wrong to do so.



.................which makes the above statement a lie!! There's nothing new about members being evasive and not answering questions - but you seem to excel at it.

Your bluff and bluster doesn't fool me - it never has!
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Re: Drainage: The water has to go somewhere!

Post by arborlad » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:01 pm

Rosenberg wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:48 am
.......... the farmer has since seen the error of his ways and left. Unsurprisingly, the new farmer hasn't even noticed any water.



Probably the most crass comment you've ever made on this forum.................I look forward to the day the farmer sees the error of your ways and takes the kind of action that farmers are more willing and able to take and you return to the forum squealing like a stuck pig, complaining about the injustice of it all :roll:
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Re: Drainage: The water has to go somewhere!

Post by Rosenberg » Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:53 am

arborlad wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:01 pm
Rosenberg wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:48 am
.......... the farmer has since seen the error of his ways and left. Unsurprisingly, the new farmer hasn't even noticed any water.
Probably the most crass comment you've ever made on this forum.................I look forward to the day the farmer sees the error of your ways and takes the kind of action that farmers are more willing and able to take and you return to the forum squealing like a stuck pig, complaining about the injustice of it all :roll:
If you were properly acquainted with the situation you would realise that, rather than being a 'crass comment' is just a concise statement of fact. However, as I have already said, you are just guessing about the details.

Anyway, what prompted that silly little rant? You sound like despair. Have you been on the Babycham, arborlad?


arborlad wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:44 am
arborlad wrote:
Mon May 27, 2019 10:44 am

Does the same situation exist today - or have you made any changes?
...................so the correct and honest answer here is, yes!!................no changes have been made!!
Rosenberg wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 6:27 pm
You don't know what I am doing. You haven't visited my garden (unless you've been stalking me in real life as well), and you certainly don't have any evidence for your assertion. Water runs off higher land onto lower land naturally. That's basic physics. There is no requirement for us to install a drain. Nothing illegal is occurring. You assumed otherwise - and, again, you were wrong to do so.
.................which makes the above statement a lie!! There's nothing new about members being evasive and not answering questions - but you seem to excel at it.

Your bluff and bluster doesn't fool me - it never has!
What exactly do you regard as a lie?

The situation is as described. You seem to be deliberately 'misunderstanding' it.

The distribution of water resulting from the drainage pipes I installed is not materially different from natural drainage. (I have already said that in the quadcopter thread.) Hence, there is nothing illegal going on. There is no basis for any complaint and no need for me to install the further drainage / soak pits/ pumps etc. which you imply I should have done.

In reality, drainage has never been a problem. The previous farmer complained only because he didn't like the new buildings that had been erected near his fields. The current farmer is more reasonable and hasn't even noticed any water, let alone regarded it as a problem.

That's about the extent of the situation. There has been nothing more of relevance to add to this thread for several years now - that is until you started wittering on about it again.

It is all pretty simple arborlad. Why are you unable to grasp it?


PS If you want to continue arguing with me you can do so in the 'Quad-copter" thread; I won't be contributing to this one again unless something relevant occurs.

PPS I know you're getting annoyed and over-tired, but really one exclamation mark will suffice. Two in succession is unnecessary and a sign of poor literacy. Perhaps you should just try to calm down a bit. Deep-breathing exercises might help. Or you could try naturism - it's very relaxing.

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Re: Drainage: The water has to go somewhere!

Post by arborlad » Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:27 am

Rosenberg wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 12:53 am

The situation is as described. You seem to be deliberately 'misunderstanding' it.



You must deal with your own surface water within your own demise - that is well established law. You are not doing that - you are shedding it onto land you do not own.........

Whenever you are in the wrong and those wrongs are pointed out to you, your fall-back position is to state that you have been deliberately misunderstood - no - you haven't!!
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Re: Neighbour's quadcopter camera over my garden

Post by thin and crispy » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:30 pm

Rosenberg wrote:
Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:55 am
... thin and crispy's deluded mates in "Extinction Rebellion" are, according to the BBC, planning a criminal program of drone flights to close down Heathrow airport - and thereby prevent normal working people from going on their holidays - during June and July...
All I said was that many people enjoy using drones and, from that one statement, you conclude:

a) that I am a neighbour-spying pervert,
b) that my friends are deluded, and
c) that I support Extinction Rebellion.

And you were berating others for their (supposed) faulty logic!

You do talk a load of evenly-tanned testicles, Rosenberg. (Ahh, I've just realised why you are so uppity with me: you think my avatar is drone-cam footage from one your outdoor dessication sessions. Don't worry, my close-up lens isn't that powerful!)
Prejudice, not being founded on reason, cannot be removed by argument. Samuel Johnson.

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Re: Neighbour's quadcopter camera over my garden

Post by arborlad » Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:34 pm

Rosenberg wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 6:27 pm

arborlad wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 11:17 am
I've assumed nothing - you were trespassing on the neighbours land and a fence was erected by the neighbour to prevent that trespass.
We took the fence down and built a wall. You assumed otherwise - and you were wrong to do so.



Which is it - you took the fence down or you made the neighbour take it down?
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Re: Neighbour's quadcopter camera over my garden

Post by Rosenberg » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:06 pm

arborlad wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:34 pm
Rosenberg wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 6:27 pm

arborlad wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 11:17 am
I've assumed nothing - you were trespassing on the neighbours land and a fence was erected by the neighbour to prevent that trespass.
We took the fence down and built a wall. You assumed otherwise - and you were wrong to do so.



Which is it - you took the fence down or you made the neighbour take it down?
We took down the part that we could prove was on our land. Our neighbour then took down the remaining stub, which I also believe was on our land but not so easy to prove. The wall it was replaced with has been in situ (in the correct place) for some years now, and defines the limit of our land. Hence there is no possibility of your assumption being correct. We could not drive over our neighbour's land even if we wanted to. It's hard work getting you to understand facts, arborlad.

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Re: Neighbour's quadcopter camera over my garden

Post by arborlad » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:16 pm

Rosenberg wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:06 pm
arborlad wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:34 pm
Rosenberg wrote:
Sun May 26, 2019 6:27 pm



We took the fence down and built a wall. You assumed otherwise - and you were wrong to do so.



Which is it - you took the fence down or you made the neighbour take it down?
We took down the part that we could prove was on our land. Our neighbour then took down the remaining stub, which I also believe was on our land but not so easy to prove. The wall it was replaced with has been in situ (in the correct place) for some years now, and defines the limit of our land. Hence there is no possibility of your assumption being correct. We could not drive over our neighbour's land even if we wanted to. It's hard work getting you to understand facts, arborlad.



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Re: Neighbour's quadcopter camera over my garden

Post by Rosenberg » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:23 pm

arborlad wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:16 pm
Rosenberg wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:06 pm
arborlad wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 3:34 pm





Which is it - you took the fence down or you made the neighbour take it down?
We took down the part that we could prove was on our land. Our neighbour then took down the remaining stub, which I also believe was on our land but not so easy to prove. The wall it was replaced with has been in situ (in the correct place) for some years now, and defines the limit of our land. Hence there is no possibility of your assumption being correct. We could not drive over our neighbour's land even if we wanted to. It's hard work getting you to understand facts, arborlad.



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That's right, all the facts are there for you to read.

What point do you think you are making now?

If you mean the wall takes up space on our drive, it does, but since I retired we have one fewer vehicle to accommodate.
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Re: Neighbour's quadcopter camera over my garden

Post by Rosenberg » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:25 pm

I told you I didn't intend to contribute further to the drainage thread arborlad, but as you have continued to post your accusations there, I'll answer them here instead (sorry if that offends your sense of order).
arborlad wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:27 am
You must deal with your own surface water within your own demise - that is well established law. You are not doing that - you are shedding it onto land you do not own.........
You mean "demesne", not "demise". Oh dear, I do keep having to correct you, don't I.

arborlad wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2019 10:27 am
Whenever you are in the wrong and those wrongs are pointed out to you, your fall-back position is to state that you have been deliberately misunderstood - no - you haven't!!
Notwithstanding your illiteracy, I do owe you an apology, arborlad: I shouldn't have suggested that your misunderstanding was deliberate. It is becoming increasingly clear that it was the result of your limited mental capacity.

I have told you all the relevant facts (in this thread and in the "drainage" thread) but you simply ignore them in order to somehow "win" an argument of your own making. Let me make it clear for anybody who might be interested in the law:

1. If surface water were to flow naturally from my land, unobstructed by any boundary feature, that would be legal.

2. If all of my surface water were to be channelled through a single pipe onto neighbouring land, that would doubtless be problematic and illegal.


There is actually a continuum of scenarios between cases 1 and 2. In your world, arborlad, simply planting a tree or shrub on the boundary would disturb the water flow sufficiently to result in illegal drainage. Erecting a fence, likewise. In reality, the bar isn't set that low. Whether drainage is legal or illegal depends on the degree to which it differs from natural. In my case, it differs very little; the water is distributed along the whole length of the two affected boundaries, like it would be if there were just a row of fence posts there. The resulting water flow is not even noticeable - even in heavy rain. It is certainly not causing a problem to the current landowner. But you would rather rely on the unfounded decade-old complaints of two Welsh, anti-English, sheep-farmers with an axe to grind. Why would that be I wonder? Surely you don't have an axe to grind, do you arborlad?


And there you go with two exclamation marks again. I've already pointed out that failing to you once. If you were this resistant to education at school, it's no wonder you are now having trouble comprehending the details of my garden's drainage.

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Re: Neighbour's quadcopter camera over my garden

Post by alyson » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:36 pm

Please can you stop with the bitching?

You’ve had your answers, accept them or not but please put us out of your misery.

Nobody on this forum is out to get you, most of us don’t give a flying duck, if you don’t like the answers to your questions just go away, please, just go away.

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Re: Neighbour's quadcopter camera over my garden

Post by Rosenberg » Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:42 pm

alyson wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:36 pm
Please can you stop with the bitching?

You’ve had your answers, accept them or not but please put us out of your misery.

Nobody on this forum is out to get you, most of us don’t give a flying duck, if you don’t like the answers to your questions just go away, please, just go away.
You heard the lady, arborlad.

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