Outdoor socket drilled into wall - who is responsible?

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Outdoor socket drilled into wall - who is responsible?

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Hi, I have trawled the forum but was unable to find a similar situation. Basically my neighbour has an outdoor socket drilled into my boundary wall and also my fence. I need the socket removing as I want to demolish the wall. The neighbour thinks they are not responsible for it as it was installed by a previous owner. Can I insist that they remove it?
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Does not matter who did it ....
If its def your wall , your property they have no right to touch it or have anything attached on it
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Thanks. So I can ask for it to be removed? I would offer to remove myself but they won't give access to their land.

What if they refuse?
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Start knocking down the wall ...they will soon move it

Or you could tell them you can gain access under " access to neighbouring lands act " a judge is unlikely to be amused with them and could dump them with the costs ......
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Are you sure you do not already have a right of access in your deeds

If your wall abuts a neighbour and it was part of an estate often theres a right of access in your deeds
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No I'm pretty sure I don't have a right of way. The 'wall' is basically the side of a flimsy conservatory which I want to demolish. It is covered in asbestos board to complicate matters.

I have already tried and failed to negotiate access to remove the asbestos from their side. Now I have to remove from my side so I need them to remove the socket before I take down the wall.

They have also painted the asbestos which is probably not a great idea!
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They sure are no respector of your rights of your property

Maybe they would like you to attach a socket to their wall or their fence or their car

Some people seem to not understand they have no right whatever to touch , paint , stain , attach anything or grow climbers up a neighbours wall or fence
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victorian16 wrote: Tue Nov 24, 2020 9:32 pm Hi, I have trawled the forum but was unable to find a similar situation. Basically my neighbour has an outdoor socket drilled into my boundary wall and also my fence. I need the socket removing as I want to demolish the wall. The neighbour thinks they are not responsible for it as it was installed by a previous owner. Can I insist that they remove it?



If you throw a mustard seed over the boundary, the law considers it a trespass, you can't do what you are planning without trespass. The socket will be owned by the neighbour but is a trespass on your property, much depends on how it is actually connected indoors, it could be as simple as pulling a plug from the outlet.

Why wont your neighbour allow access?...............concentrate your efforts towards resolving those issues.

Don't get misled by the antagonistic one.
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How are the wires run to the socket . Armoured cable , steel conduit , or bare wires.



You can’t remove it the proper way as it would require you to unscrew it from the wall by undoing the screws from within a live box . You can however demolish the wall carefully and let it break off naturally when the screws give way.

I woulD say to them look ,the wall is coming down with your socket attached or without it and once it’s down it will then become your problem no matter who installed it because if you don’t remove it , it will be left on the ground
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Totally agree and .......Precisely what i said someway back ....but Arborlad says i am antagonistic

Do make it very very clear that under no circumstances will you allow it to be refitted to your new walls etc
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It will be dangerous in terms on contamination to leave the socket in place whilst I am removing the asbestos from my side so I do need to remove before I start. I did ask them if I can remove the asbestos from their side (and the socket at the same time) but they threw an exorbitantly expensive license agreement at me so I am looking at other options. Relations are not good after a protracted Party Wall negotiation.

Another question I had was whether the current tenants could grant me access to garden to attend to my wall? Or does it have to be the landlord?
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Surely you need experts in to remove asbestos...especially old asbestos which disintegrates easily?
And they have to dispose of it in special places.
Why not get an expert in to demolish the wall and asbestos.?

He can then take care of the plug.
He can just knock the brick or block out carefully and leave it lying on ground with plug unharmed and still alive on neighbours side.
What neighbour then does with it is up to him.
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Why on earth do some people have to be so darn nasty , unreasonable and unco operative especially when Asbestos is involved because that has to be done by specialists under strict rules for everyones safety ....their socket is illegal no matter who installed it .....there must be a crafty way to protect it from asbestos dust

I bet if you applied to court for " ACCESS TO NEIGHBOURING LANDS " THE judge would tell them they are being totalky and utterly unreasonable and make them pay the costs ....

Investigate the DIY costs of doing that ...most court staff are very helpful
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victorian16 wrote: Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:42 pm It will be dangerous in terms on contamination to leave the socket in place whilst I am removing the asbestos from my side so I do need to remove before I start. I did ask them if I can remove the asbestos from their side (and the socket at the same time) but they threw an exorbitantly expensive license agreement at me so I am looking at other options. Relations are not good after a protracted Party Wall negotiation.

Another question I had was whether the current tenants could grant me access to garden to attend to my wall? Or does it have to be the landlord?
Where there is a will,there is a way
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despair wrote: Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:08 pm Why on earth do some people have to be so darn nasty , unreasonable and unco operative especially when Asbestos is involved because that has to be done by specialists under strict rules for everyones safety ....their socket is illegal no matter who installed it .....there must be a crafty way to protect it from asbestos dust

I bet if you applied to court for " ACCESS TO NEIGHBOURING LANDS " THE judge would tell them they are being totalky and utterly unreasonable and make them pay the costs ....

Investigate the DIY costs of doing that ...most court staff are very helpful
Because it is the nature of man.
And some are innately nice and some are evil....
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